THIS Common Forehand Tip Could’ve Killed My Shoulder, BUT…

welcome back to Bonanza disc golf today is going to kind of be an update video because a few weeks back on Project 100 we had a coaching session with overthrow disc golf all about my forehand now I am starting to coach on backhand so that's going to be coming really soon as well as strength and conditioning specifically for disc golf but today I want to break down the things that I did that have already given me what I feel is a serviceable forehand or I'm only going to focus about 10 to 15 of the rest of my off season on my forehand perfecting the things that we talk about today as well as addressing some of the mistakes that we're going to be talking about but for a quick reminder this is the main thing that I talked about with Josh and that was the fact that I was running up very strict because of some advice that I had heard before and that was causing me to essentially rip off my arm and use my arm to throw instead of my body and my rotation so I want to share with you how I fixed that in less than a month and it's definitely not all the way perfect but I'm out here in Gainesville Florida right now playing where they just have the chain Hawk open which Garrett gerthy took down and if I would have played in the tournament the round that I just shot would have been 10 19 rated and a lot of that was because I had a comfortable and confident forehand so we're going to go to the first hole where I used it which used to be way outside of my range still kind of is but I still threw the forehand on it and I I'll explain everything that I did and why all right we're actually not going to go to that hole because there's some people on it right now but if we looked at my form beforehand essentially I was starting straight on with the Target because of some advice that I had heard now it takes some steps Crow Hop up here this is my step so my foot is already pointing forward and then I would have to reach back behind my body and swing my arm through to throw the disc don't I do that enough and enough Josh the main thing he's like I don't care if you have more distance he said he just said I just don't want you to hurt yourself so you can throw it longer and the main thing that fixed this for me was turning to the side before I ran up now I already gave this tip another project 100 videos so there's gonna be plenty of other new ones but the main thing here is instead of starting straight on and then moving to the side because I tried that I tried to incorporate that into my run up didn't really work I started from the side here and would start this Shuffle step and then this step I tried to make sure I planted it almost perpendicular to where I was going so if I'm going straight at the camera it's pretty much perpendicular not quite which I'm comfortable with because the main thing is that my hips are facing this way they're closed to the Target and then they get to open up towards the target here and as they open my trunk rotates around and comes through and snaps the disc through now one other thing that Josh was saying is that you should have this last foot pointed straight at your target kind of like this for me honestly I don't know if my flexibility is quite there so that can definitely help me to open up my hips more but currently and he said that you don't have to do it but what I've started to do is instead of that I'll actually kind of be kind of pointed diagonally that way when I come through I'm able to get my hips all the way swung through and I can rotate forward through all right might actually be able to head over to that hole oh no there's a bunch of people putting that on oh this is actually a pretty good hole here too though so if you've heard the advice and you've taken the advice just run it forward and come through that's good advice and I even saw a Ryan Sheldon video where he was talking about the hey face your target but then as I watched him actually throw the disc he always closed his hips and then reopened them and face the target which is kind of interesting but that's definitely one of the major keys because I've been having to not have to throw my arm out at it because I was coming up behind here and then coming through and the arm was all lagging the shoulder has the potential to rip whereas now coming up with this dance step here come through and then as my hips move us forward word my whole arm comes around this way this brings me into the second point which was opening and closing the curtain because this actually gives you more forehand coil and I wasn't quite doing that when we watched my last time I would just come forward and just kind of try to swing my arm at it and rip it at it I think there's still one thing that I need to work on because of that form that we're going to get to later but the second thing that I've really been focusing on is as I'm here this arm is up because if you just do this just wherever you are if you just do this hold your arms up like this you're going to feel a coil in the back of your shoulders because like that's just how muscles work I guess and so when you do that when you open up that coil here that initiates the arm movement which should be first initiated by the hips this was in another Ryan Sheldon video I watched probably the same one we was talking about the hip to shoulder separation which is a baseball thing but the hips going first and firing and then the shoulders lagging behind and then you snapping the disc through last with your wrist is a really good way to get some great snap on the disc so we're gonna throw pretty simple here or freaking hit a tree because I don't know this course so now if you were to watch me work on my forehand and the t-pad I'm going this way one thing that you're going to watch me start to do is as I learn the disc and we'll talk about this selection in a second I'm going to come up here just to my hit point just that I know where I'm going to be snapping the disc one of the things I still haven't worked great at is getting my Wrist all the way cocked back so I get that full snap and just so that you know when you're snapping your wrist it shouldn't be this way not like a pizza this doesn't have a lot of rotation whereas if you make sure you have this middle finger if you use my same grip it's going into the rim then it's going to be forward like this and that is so much more range of motion if you just do that compared to this you're going to feel the difference in how much snap you get and so I'm gonna point my nose angle to where I want my hip point to be and then come back I know hey this is where I'm ending my throat boom and I'm ending my throw forward so here foreign like that and that's one of the things that's really helped me to keep my nose angled down I still miss nose up both forehand and backhand but focusing on that nose angle before the throw has really helped me and then the second part and the other reason why I throw those up which is why that was slightly nose up there is focusing on following through the hit that last part is through the hit with your wrist making sure that the wrist goes to your head point which for me right here nose down the other point of that also from Orion Sheldon video that I saw that made a lot of sense to me instead of trying to go around try to go through forward so this through and your elbows shouldn't be leading that's one of the other things I struggle with that we're going to be working on but your elbow shouldn't be leading boom fall through the disc straight and then you can pronate some people do that I don't I'm not good enough yet but fall through like there instead of just going around when you fall through I'm gonna try to show you without hitting the freaking camera and see if I can even do it correctly so we're gonna focus on following through the hit oh that's so good dude that's so good but Falling forward and through is a major help to make sure they're actually hitting your nose angle and your lines correctly another major point in disc golf which is super important is your disc selection so right here these are my main two Fairway drivers right now that are on the stable side I have a flippy one as well but this is a felon this is a birdie disc golf supply strike these discs fly very different I've already thrown all my distance drivers out there except for my grace actually but what's really important for me is as I was doing this I was learning how these all through on a flat line because that'll teach me how much height I have to give them the more understable the disc even if the nose is down the more height you have to give it so it'll work into that flex line but right now I'm really only focusing on ferry drivers and distance drivers because with my distance drivers I can obviously get the most distance but this also brings me to on the course decisions and this is where I struggle a lot because I can throw these if I throw them really well 320 feet I could throw these if I throw them really well 340 360. but if I miss on this it's still going to go 290 to 320 if I miss on this it might hyzer out at 250 just because of how much slower the disc is than this so instead of thinking about it like a backhand where especially because I have what like 50 more 60 more feet of power on my backhand and I'm throwing distance drivers up to like 420 I'm throwing Fairways up to like 380 I'm throwing mids up to like 340 I'm throwing Putters up to 300. that nice delineation doesn't really happen with me on my forehand and that's something I had to learn the hard way because I kept being like I know I can throw my phone in 300 and have it reach somewhere on Heiser and then I'll throw my arrive and it'd be perfect and it's because I was throwing so much smoother with my rise really focusing on smoothness strings and not really focusing on throwing which is what I'm really not doing anymore I don't really focus on throwing but instead I focus on getting through the movement in my curtain up and falling through the head one more thing that really helps me that I really struggle with is staying low and over this is what overza talks about this is what Ryan Sheldon talks about is you need to give your elbow a path directly at the Target you can't be rounding behind your elbow and so if I stay high like this I'm gonna miss a little bit more nose up because my arm has to swing around more whereas if you just look at the elbow hinge point if I get lower it's straight through and I could snap through the end of the disc I've seen some people do some crazy things to try to get super low I'm really focused on that yet it's one of the things I'm really going to start focusing on is staying a little bit lower and keeping myself down there but one thing that really helped me with all this was practicing intentionally and filming so really focusing on making sure I get to this hit point slowing down and going one thing that's add a little bit of power that I'm not sure if it's legit or not but I've watched Eric Oakley do it and some other Pros is I've noticed when they get to this last step they'll kind of check up boom and then explode through the throw obviously with their hips first I'm not good at that yet I still have so much practice to do but that kind of looks like foreign that's a really good shot let's go and so honestly with all of these I'm really focusing on just throwing smoothly keeping my nose angled down and I've been able to hit much more routinely most of the lines that I want but also with much easier power because the easier you're able to throw the better you're gonna be able to hit any of your lines I really hope I don't screw myself over here but we're gonna go through this easy small Gap with my birdie strike which since it's a seven speed and it's neutral I'm gonna have to put on a little bit of hyzer because of the torque that it's going to get oh my gosh go in the basket that might have actually hit the cage that was very good now of course on this channel I'm not just gonna say that I figured everything out and fixed it because I can't throw a forehand 400 feet I want to be able to but that comes with a bunch of things that we need to talk about that I need to learn and fix all right this was that nice easy toss with the birdie I mean I had to have been so close and I did not try to throw it harder this is about 270 feet with that Fairway driver on a hyzer flip line which I'm very not good at and that leads us into the things that I need to tell you that I'm working on that you can expect to see as I continue progressing the main throw in disc golf honestly is the backhand that's the thing you have to work on if you want to get really good the backhand is just a shot that you probably need to develop more than the forehand let me be honest every time that I say something like that on this channel there are always people who are like well you want to play the pro tour so you need X Y and Z and this and this and that and I'm like yes I understand but you also need to understand you need to allocate your time correctly to the things that are going to get me there the fastest and that should get worked on the most so for me this off season it's gonna be 10 to 15 putting up shots all of those things up shots maybe a little bit more because I've been struggling with those a little bit lately especially from standstills and then maybe 20 to 25 forehand where I continue to just get reps in with this form focus on strength and then the rest just backhand form and distance because when I hit it right my backhand is really solid but I'm not consistent with it and I haven't done a lot of form work so that's a lot of what we're going to be focusing on over the next couple weeks in Project 100 and probably for the next couple of months but here are the main forehand things that I need to work on the first I think is elbow and arm placement as you're going to see in all that footage that we already showed a lot of times even when I'm down my elbow tends to be out from my side I don't know if that's a bad thing I tend to be a little more out and I think that that could lead to more elbow strain the main thing that's going to keep the elbow straight away is just moving with my torso because then my elbow isn't really leading it's my body and I just snap through at the end of it I see a lot of really good Pros the best Pros be really tucked in and I don't know if that tighter rotation will give me faster rotation and add to my distance that's something that I'm going to be talking with Josh a second main one which I already kind of touched on the one throw that I'm really struggling with still is getting down enough and throwing correctly anhyzer and nose down it's one of the hardest throws in backhand as well but with forehand getting the correct height being able to have the elbow high enough being able to rotate correctly get the nose angle right so that's just a shot that that Flex forehand is really important but it's very easy to stall because you can just get that nose slightly up and you throw it hard enough wind is going to beat at it gonna stall it and not gonna go super far and that could potentially actually be my farthest flying forehand so really going to focus on that another piece is going to be stand Stills I'm bad at standstill forehand and backhand that's something I'm gonna need to work on is off season and the last three are kind of simple to go through but one is I want to continue working on hyzer flip shots there's a really helpful in the woods there are just some Fairways that shape for the hyzer flip forehand that brings me to number two which is reps I just need to get onto a field get into a net and just continue ironing out my new form with reps because there are times that I slip back into my old form and I notice it sometimes when I'm editing my footage and that's just what's going to happen with forehand and backhand until I do more reps with the new form and the last one is going to lead me into something that we're probably going to talk about next week which is strength and flexibility I just had my first meeting this morning with a coach who's going to do some programming for me a personal training wise for lifting which is for range of motion for strength and all those things I think are a little bit under valued in disc golf right now where especially as a small guy I want to make sure that I get all my advantages that I possibly can so I want to be as fit as possible I want to be carrying as little weight that is not for the movement as possible so I want to be a little bit leaner a little more muscular and that range of motion training is going to really help me with all those flexibility points because it's going to focus on getting me more flexible while also getting me stronger I'm sure this video was a little bit crazy but I wanted to just get all the points that I've really been learning and appreciating about getting better at forehand hopefully you guys can take some slight things away who are following my journey because I am seeing lots of improvements as I actually start to focus on these things and I want to share with you all the little tips and tricks that help me to even just solidify them in my mind if they make sense to some of you but not all of you like that's okay hopefully it helps to some of you who it does help but if you want to watch that initial coaching session with overthrow check it out right over here but I'm going to leave you with one quick forehand that I'm going to throw first time we're going to throw this ride through that little baby Gap to the left foreign it did go through the Gap but that was that anhyzer Flex Shot like I was talking about this is a work in progress okay love you bye